How liberals and conservatives view fairness
Published on May 24, 2004 By Madine In Politics
It has been reported that the Kerry campaign is considering a plan to delay the official acceptance of the Democratic Party's presidential nomination. The motivation for this is that Kerry will be able to raise and spend more money if he delays accepting the nomination. This has caused controversy because it could undermine the importance of the convention, and some feel it is exploiting a loophole in the new campaign finance law.

This issue was debated on Fox News Channel's show Hannity and Colmes. The liberals argued that it wasn't fair that the Republicans had their convention 5 weeks later than the Democrats. By delaying the nomination, they contended, Kerry would be leveling the playing field.

This provides insight into how different ideologies perceive fairness. I would argue that even though the Republicans may have an advantage, the situation is still fair because both parties have to follow the same rules. Even if one party picks a better convention date, that doesn't mean the process is unfair.

Another viewpoint suggests what is important is not whether everyone follows the same rules, but whether everyone ends up with the same outcome.

The perception of fairness affects how we view problems. Instead of saying, "We made a mistake, we should have chosen a better convention date", Democrats blame the system.

These ideas aren't just about political parties, they also deal with how people should be treated. The problem with results-based fairness is that it cuts personal responsibility out of the equation, ignoring decisions made that may have led to an "unfair" result. Update: John Kerry has announced that he will accept the nomination at the Democratic Convention in Boston.

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on May 26, 2004
Continually shunning the "rich" for doing so with regard to tax laws, even though most democrats in congress use the same loop holes. 8 of the richest 10 congressmen are democrats.


Good. Wealth is a beautiful thing. I'm glad that senate democrats are doing better in this respect. Those 8 individuals with wealth, status, and gracious liberal political clout must represent the highest echelon of humanity, because they have mastered so many forms of greatness. And our next president is one of them... compared to whom you are merely bitter, unevolved populist pondscum... kind of like shit.
on May 26, 2004
Just as another point of order. When I worked for a prestigious law firm which I won't say the name of here, I made $400,000 a year. Good money for someone in their mid to late 20s. At that wage I paid 27 times the national average in taxes. The reason I'm not a republican is because I was happy to pay it. My children went to good schools, the roads were good, etc. Now I'm a professor, and make considerably less. Oregon's schools have degraded, as has their highways. Coincidence? Yes, but I would still pay a higher tax to have good schools and better roads.

Cheers
on May 26, 2004
If you are a democrat, you have to be wondering WHY you are really even having a convention this year?

same reason as why cheney takes scalia hunting...or whats up with those promisekeeper conventions?.

i know youre expecting me to say: hookers.

well i wont. i was thinking camaraderie.
on May 26, 2004
If you are a democrat, you have to be wondering WHY you are really even having a convention this year?


Wouldn't it be a better question to ask why the republicans are having a convention? After all, the democrats actually had people running against Kerry.

Cheers
on May 26, 2004
i seriously doubt this years republican convention will be anywhere close to as entertaining as the 2000 event unless they can persuade michael jackson to lead the faithful in a rousing rendition of 'we are the world...we are the children'.

didn't they attempt to lynch sam donaldson last time around?
on May 26, 2004
are we forgeting that the same campaign finciace laws were FIRST in effect during the previous presidential election? The Democrats had their convention WELL after the republicans and Bush did not use the loop hole.


There was slightly over a week between the conventions. This time it's more like a month. And Gore couldn't raise or spend any money in the interim since he was abiding by finance limits for the primaries (which Bush did not do, and which neither candidate is doing this year).

I don't see why people are worked up about this. Nominating conventions are just a formality, and have been for decades.
on May 26, 2004
darn, kerry's gonna accept the nomination a month before the republicans. count on the dems to make sure to tie one hand holding millions of dollars behind their back. so no republicans are gonna get annoyed. oh well.
on May 27, 2004
kerrys decision to be nominated takes the air outta this ones sails. good to know which side is more committed to fairness.
on May 27, 2004
From jeblackstar:
Wouldn't it be a better question to ask why the republicans are having a convention? After all, the democrats actually had people running against Kerry.


Not at all... the purpose of a convention is to trumpet out your leaders, offers some ideas on what your parties "agenda" is for the next few years, and ending in a climatic vote of the states for your parties official canditate who then is given as long as he or she wants to speak to the party, the nation, and the world on what his plans are for the presidency.

THIS is exactly the point, and it's why Kerry has flip flopped yet again.
on May 28, 2004
I'm sorry, Ignorance, but your name sums it up. The indications that Kerry might decline the nomination was a "Rumor". Sure it was probably put out to test the waters.

Further, your statement sounds as if you were disagreeing with my point and then offer a definition of a national political convention that a 3 year old should know. I was responding to the question asking why the democrats should have a convention at all.

Cheers
on Jun 23, 2004
Well. it's all academic now, but I agree with madine that the argument of "unfairnness" was childish. I had faith that Kerry was a stronger politician than his advisers.
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